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by Norcal2 from Utah

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I've been watching Utah's Mormon reaction to Proposition 8 in California and it seems to me that while I understand churches do give their opinion on these issues, the active activism and focus is a little odd.  I was born and raised in California and in fact only left a few years ago and it never occurred to me that any church or state other than the voting public would actually believe they can influence California voters. 

I don't want to be the bearer of bad news but in all the years I lived there NO ONE can influence how they will vote.  If this bill passes or fails it will have exactly zero to do with anyone outside California.  San Francisco's population alone is almost half the population of the entire state of Utah. 

Californians are really comfortable about doing what they see as right for California just as Utah is comfortable with their business.  Hard to get your way here or there.  From the red counties to the blue counties somehow it all works out the way THEY want it to.  The Mormon church would have been better off to donate their money to those who may need it and who attend their church.  Good luck with that California wish though. 

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Mktavish read my blog view my photos
Nov 3, 2008 | 4:35 PM

Ya the money might of been spent better somewhere else. But the truth is they have plenty of money to spread around as they see fit.
If the real issue is about kids growing up in a stable family enviroment. Then why not crusade against the marriages and non married couples that are creating these children to broken homes. Try to change the laws at the root of the problem.
Im not sure where to start with making it harder to procreate??? But how about making marriage harder to get out of.

Im still scratching my head with how this leagal definition of Marriage between a man and a woman is going to help the kids in this country become moral and upstanding citizens.

I mean there are so many other things you should be teaching your kids. And sheltering is not one of them.

Skooby read my blog view my photos
Nov 3, 2008 | 7:16 PM

I'm sure the church leaders really weighed the options.

Feeding the 25,000 starving children that will die on Tuesday

Or

Stopping the homosexuals from getting married?

Scotsman read my blog
Nov 3, 2008 | 7:20 PM

please remember that the voters of California already voted once that they wanted marriage left between a man and a woman. A California court overturned the voice of the people. This is about keeping the court in check. Gay/lesbian couples already have ample protection under California law. California has also passed a law banning the use of words such as mother, mom, husband, wife, father, dad or any other words which imply gender regarding the heads of families in text books in the state. Now tell me that the traditional family is not under attack! Decesions of this nature set a dangerous court precedent for all of us! Wake up folks!! Our country is changing before our eyes and it isnt for the better!

Frainken01
Nov 3, 2008 | 9:22 PM

Look at prop 22 in 2000 2001 I was there serving my mission there and how much we threaten for believing on what we believe. Propp 22 ( to protect marriage between man and wife) 62% says yest to protect it and 38 % says no and that was just only San Francisco county.

Breakdown read my blog
Nov 3, 2008 | 10:04 PM

I love the argument about starving children. Let's use it all the time. When you buy a new TV, are you choosing a TV over feeding hungry children? Are you sitting at home when you could be working in a food kitchen? What about that coat you're wearing, don't you think you can give that coat to a child that has no coat? What about that trip to McDonald's? Your cell phone? Are you considering all the money you could be giving to the starving children? What about education, why should I be putting myself into debt earning a degree when I could be putting myself into debt feeding the children?

The LDS church is a powerhouse in the world of charity. It asks it's members to forgo two meals every month and give the money to the welfare program. What do you do?

Just to be clear the LDS church has only contributed $2,078.97, all other monies are from donations made by the membership. Let's not mention all the other churches that have given money, after all this is an interfaith issue.

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=4648552

wmcot
Nov 4, 2008 | 12:19 AM

I would like to know why Norcal singled out the Mormon church when the opposition to Proposition 8 is made up of a coalition of religious groups. I would suspect the Norcal has issues with the Mormon church that underlie the topic of this blog.

The whole issue of Proposition 8 is about the separation of church and state. I would rather have churches define what constitutes a marriage than the government!

I have no objection to civil unions between gays with all the rights of a married couple, but the concept of marriage (as religiously defined) is sacred to me.

I have no hatred of gays. I have a lesbian cousin, a gay nephew, and several gay friends. They are all great people. I love them and enjoy their company. Funny how none of them felt the need to go to California and be "married" when the ruling was overturned.

Norcal2 read my blog
Nov 4, 2008 | 9:53 AM

Powerhouse you missed the point. It isn't about the church not helping or helping, what they donate that does good or anything about how good or bad they are, it is about THIS money being better spent elsewhere than spent on trying to influence California voters who nutoriously vote what is best for their state. That money will have zero impact.

In fact when a church, and church tries to control the voting booth they take a chance of getting the opposite of what they want. That is what happens when voters feel like outsiders are trying to influence.

Norcal2 read my blog
Nov 4, 2008 | 10:00 AM

Mktavish I agree with you. For some reason what strangers personal lives are has never been of concern to me. In this often harsh world I have always found it wonderful when anyone finds love.

It will be interesting to see how California votes. Even if they pass it they do have some safeguards in for couples who don't match the description. They will be fine but emotionally harmed. If this bill fails then California voters will have spoken and that is as it should be in either case. Resolved.

extremedude read my blog
Nov 4, 2008 | 10:01 AM

one thing that isn't mentioned why we need to get this and others to pass to describe a marrage between a man and a women is ordained of god is that if it doesn't pass and gay marrage stands in different states it will be a direct attack on the constition "freedom of religion" and besides that didn't the nation as a whole vote on bill describeing a marrage between a man and a women so my question to all where does the constition state that state courts can over rule the constition federal laws or the supreme courts

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