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Why are so many people concerned with what stance the Mormon church takes with homosexuality? Especially those that do not believe in the Mormon religion? If you do not believe it to be a religion of God or you do not believe in God in the first place then what does it matter to you what this religion does?  Is your life really affected by the doctrine of a church you do not believe in in the first place?  You believe it is just a fallacy begin with so why trouble yourself so much by trying to bring it down?

However, I just want to know why it is only the Mormons that are being ridiculed for their position on homosexuality and that other religions seem to be ignored for having similar positions on this topic?  Is it because we are in Utah and the Mormons are easier targets?  I have lived in different states since I came to this country and I can honestly say from first-hand experience that people, for the most part, in other states really do not care about the position the Mormons or any other religion takes on any issue. 

Personally, I find the tactics of the Westboro Baptist Church absolutely despicable, offensive, and insulting.  They protest funerals of soldiers holding up signs that say "God hates EDIT" or "AIDS cures EDIT." (Please do not yell at me for those phrases as those are actual words these "protesters" use).  The Mormons have never come anywhere close to the offensive trash of the Westboro Baptist Church but I do not recall anyone speaking out and condemning this so-called "religion" and its position.

What about Islam?  Not only is homosexuality a sin, in Islamic countries it is a crime punishable by death.  Remember  Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's speech to Harvard University?  He said there are no homosexuals in Iran.  Do you not wonder why that is the case?  Where is the outcry on that one?

If all people want are tolerance and acceptance then why are they so unwilling to give what they so desire to receive?  If you are not going to be tolerant of the position of the Mormon church (to which they have a right to this position) then why should they be required to accept a lifestyle that is in direct violation of their policies? 

Either the Mormons are the religion of God or they are not.  If you believe that they are then should you not change your life to fit with God's commandments and not ask Him to change for you?  When you accept God, you are supposed to give yourself to Him, not the other way around.  Personally, I would not want to be apart of an organization (religious or otherwise) that would not accept me as I am.  It just makes no sense to me.
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Skooby read my blog view my photos
Aug 15, 2008 | 1:04 PM

I'm in a hurry so I will read your whole post later and properly respond. But I'd love for you to answer your own question. You are not mormon and yet I've seen you make several posts on the subject including this long one. Why do you care?

Slowdog read my blog
Aug 15, 2008 | 1:45 PM

Why do I care? This entire issue is about much more than just a religion. It is about a double standard. People who claim all they want is tolerance and equality repeatedly refuse to give what they wish to receive. In the beginning all the homosexual community said is they want tolerance. That soon evolved into "equality" (which already exists under the law) and that quickly became an elitist mentality. It is all about pushing an agenda with which they know the majority of the country does not agree and will never accept. It is about forcing a private organization to accept a practice that is a direct violation of their core belief system.

I do not care with whom someone falls in love or with whom they choose to engage in a relationship. It is everyone's right to pursue happiness as long as they do not infringe upon the rights of others. By using ceaseless litigation in order to force people and organizations to not only tolerate but accept something they deem to be wrong, the minority homosexual community continues to force their lifestyle on the majority. That is exactly what you profess and accuse the religious people of doing. Can you not see the hypocrisy in this movement?

All I am saying is that if you desire tolerance and acceptance, you must give it out yourself and I have yet to see any of that from the homosexual community. Respect is something you must earn and the tactics used by those of the homosexual community and their sympathizers are not worthy of respect.

Slowdog read my blog
Aug 15, 2008 | 1:53 PM

One question I want answered is why do the people of Affirmation want acceptance into the Mormon church knowing full well their lifestyle is against their beliefs and doctrines? Why do they want to belong to an organization that does not accept their lifestyle and calls it a sin?

Either the Mormon church is the right church or it is not. It is that simple. If you believe it to be the right church why do you want to change it? Would not a change like that make it the wrong church?

It is just further proof to me that it has absolutely nothing to do with equality or tolerance. Rather it is about forcing people to accept something with which they do not agree. That is not freedom to force people to believe a certain way. That is the original reason people left Europe back in the 17th century. They were tired of a totalitarianism forcing them to follow certain dogmas and that is exactly what the homosexual movement of today is doing.

Skooby read my blog view my photos
Aug 18, 2008 | 9:25 AM

'That soon evolved into "equality" (which already exists under the law)'
Equality on the law books does not equal equality. When they can marry the person they desire, like the rest of us, then they have equality. The 14th Amendment guarantee's that they should have equal rights. But they don't. And the LDS church spent millions trying to keep it that way.
'the minority homosexual community continues to force their lifestyle'
Sorry dude. That is just blatantly stupid. Homosexuality is not a 'lifestyle'. And even if it was they are not trying to force it on you.
'All I am saying is that if you desire tolerance and acceptance, you must give it out yourself'
That is wrong. If I want tolerance of homosexuals that does not mean that I must tolerate everything. I will not tolerate bigotry. Why the hell should I ever have to tolerate bigotry?
'One question I want answered is why do the people of Affirmation want acceptance into the Mormon church knowing full well their lifestyle is against their beliefs and doctrines?'
Why don't you call them up and ask them?
'That is not freedom to force people to believe a certain way.'
Homosexuals are not trying to change the way the church 'believes'. It is trying to change the way the church 'acts'. I think that your own bigotry is blinding you. And until you overcome your own bigotry you will never 'get it'. We could be having this same argument in 1972 about black members having the priesthood. You could be asking the same questions as well. 'Why do they want to be a member of a group that doesn't fully accept them'? Why do they wa

Skooby read my blog view my photos
Aug 18, 2008 | 9:26 AM

You could be asking the same questions as well. 'Why do they want to be a member of a group that doesn't fully accept them'? Why do they want to change the church if they think it is true'? It is because bigotry should not be allowed to go unchallenged. Once you get over your own bigotry you just might understand that.

Slowdog read my blog
Aug 18, 2008 | 12:54 PM

So because I am not homosexual I do not get it? Is that the essence of your reply? Are you homosexual? If not, how come you apparently get it? Or is it you just like calling people that happen to disagree with you names? Perhaps it is your utter hatred for religion that blinds you to your own bigotry. It is very easy to call people names rather than have a substantive conversation and try to help those who fail to understand this issue.

I have no bigotry towards homosexuals (or anyone else for that matter) I just do not understand why people want to change something such as the mormon church knowing full well what their stand is on this particular issue. Your reply has done absolutely nothing to further my understanding (or lack thereof).

I only see bigotry (see, I can use that word too) against the religious from the majority of those who speak out against the mormon religion. Again, where is the animosity towards other religions that do not allow homosexuality? The mormon church is a private entity. They do not have to accept anyone they do not want, that is THEIR right. If you want to call that bigotry, that is YOUR right.

However, if you want to be part of the mormon church, you should accept their religion as it is and not ask or demand it to change for you. If you require the organization to change for you then is that not a very big clue that perhaps it is not the right fit for you? It is like a new player joining the Jazz and then telling the team they should play football because that one player likes that sport better. If it is not the spo

Slowdog read my blog
Aug 18, 2008 | 12:56 PM

cont.

If it is not the sport you like to play then is it not better to join the correct league?

What will be next, atheists demanding the Catholic church to change its doctrine to be that of God does not exist?

akiame read my blog view my photos
Aug 18, 2008 | 4:14 PM

Maybe some people where hoping that the One True Church would reflect compassion / forgiveness / non-judgmental / wise attitudes...

It is sad and just goes to show that man is incapable of such...

Like you said, I could care less!

Skooby read my blog view my photos
Aug 18, 2008 | 6:13 PM

'So because I am not homosexual I do not get it?'
Wrong. Because you are a bigot you do not get it. You claim not to be bigoted. But your posts suggest other wise.
'Are you homosexual? If not, how come you apparently get it?'
I 'get it' because I am not bigoted towards homosexuals. My sexuality is my business and I think only a bigot would ask in a conversation like this. It has no bearing on the argument. I'm not black but I can still 'get it' when it comes to racial bigotry. As I said in my post, you will not understand until you lose the righteous bigotry. Close the bible and open your mind and heart. I have answered your post question. If you do not get it then it is unlikely that further discussion will help. If you really do want to get it, and you're not just looking for an argument, then I suggest getting to know a loving committed gay couple. Ask them your questions.

Slowdog read my blog
Aug 19, 2008 | 7:16 AM

Skooby,

You are truly the master at using a lot of words to say absolutely nothing. If all you can answer is I am a bigot, then why on earth did you even reply here? Do you fail to see your own bigotry in your utter intolerance for a differing point of view on this issue? Real progressive of you is it not?

The same old name calling tactics you constantly employ is really old and does nothing to benefit the issue at hand. It only demonstrates to everyone that you are, in fact, what you profess me to be. I am a bigot, you are a bigot, we are all bigots in some way because in your mind anyone that opposes something or stands up for what they believe to be right which may offend someone else is a bigot.

Concerning your advice of asking a "committed gay couple," I thought I was already doing that by posting this blog. As of yet none have answered so perhaps they do not get it either. I suppose that makes you better than all of us because you seem to be the only one here that does get it. Perhaps we religious people should all be worshiping you instead as you seem to be omnipotent.

Skooby read my blog view my photos
Aug 19, 2008 | 9:03 AM

'Pooh pooh face' is name calling. 'Moron', is name calling. Bigot is not name calling. If you are a bigot and I point that out then it is not name calling. But let me call you a name so you can feel justified. Christard moron. There ya go.
'we are all bigots in some way because in your mind anyone that opposes'
Look, christard moron, why don't you look up the word 'bigot'. Then you might get it through your brain that it is not name calling.
'I thought I was already doing that by posting this blog.'
Right. Because we all know that gay couples flock to the right wing Fox blogs. You asked this question to bait a fight. You posted this to be a prick. Go cry 'name calling' to Jesus. He might love you but everyone else thinks your a bigoted prick.

You spend all this time boo hooing about name calling. Who cares? If you make posts to bait an argument over church bigotry then don't cry foul when the word 'bigot' gets mentioned.

Slowdog read my blog
Aug 19, 2008 | 10:20 AM

Ahhh, the deep words of today's progressive and tolerant liberal. It must be such an enjoyable and fulfilling life to hate so many people just because they disagree with you. Your parents must be so proud of the wonderful specimen of humanity you have "grown up" to be.

Skooby read my blog view my photos
Aug 19, 2008 | 9:41 PM

I'm not tolerant. Don't label me as such.

'Your parents must be so proud'
EDIT you, you vile piece of phucking shitt. Address my points. Not my parents.

Skooby read my blog view my photos
Aug 19, 2008 | 9:42 PM

Apparently the program edited out my first word. That word was pphhucck. I don't want my language dumbed down.

Slowdog read my blog
Aug 20, 2008 | 7:15 AM

I have addressed your points. You are apparently just not bright enough to see that. Your immature reply more than proves everything everyone already thinks of you. Yet another point of pride for your parents.

spacealien read my blog view my photos
Aug 20, 2008 | 10:57 AM

BIGOT: (NOUN) A PERSON WHO IS UTTERLY INTOLERANT OF ANY DIFFERING CREED, BELIEF, OR OPINION.

skooby: with your hatred of, and your intolerance towards religion, the true definition of a bigot (see above) applies to you, too.

because other people see a behavior as sick and disgusting, they are wrong for that?
we are not sea urchins. we, along with all the higher forms of life on this planet, need a MALE and a FEMALE to reproduce. there is a reason for this. it is called "survival of the species".

nikkimiche read my blog
Aug 20, 2008 | 9:58 PM

It is what the church believes that they are trying to change. In the proclamation to the world the church says that marriage is between a man and a woman. That is what we believe. Also, there have been articles in church magazines about homosexuals who have decided that becuase of their beliefs they're not going to act upon it. They stay with their families and they try to work through it.
Of course, there are people in the church who are against homosexuality of any kind, but not everyone feels that way. I don't think someone should put too much thought into the current debate of homosexual temple marriage if they aren't mormon anyway. It doesn't apply to you either way, so why worry about it, right?

akiame read my blog view my photos
Aug 21, 2008 | 10:11 AM

nikkimiche-- You said... "there have been articles in church magazines about homosexuals who have decided that because of their beliefs they're not going to act upon it."

So by that Logic, If homosexuality where popular norm would a Straight person be able to just decide not to be in a heterosexual marriage and go with the flow and choose to be gay?

Could you, a straight person, just decide to be gay because everyone else said thats the way it is?

nikkimiche read my blog
Aug 21, 2008 | 8:06 PM

Personally? no. But I have no doubt that there are people that could. It's not everyone that makes that choice of course, I am just stating that there are other options available.

akiame read my blog view my photos
Aug 22, 2008 | 10:14 AM

Exactly my point...

Straight people think that when it comes to gay people, they choose to be attracted to the same sex...

If Gay people simply choose whom they are attracted to than it has to work the same way for straight people... You can't have double standards!!! If Gay's choose to be attracted to the same sex then Straight's choose to be attracted to the opposite sex...

But when I ask straight people if they could simply choose to change their attraction to the same sex, the answer is No...

Because I can't change whom I find attractive, I am attracted to whom I am attracted to, simple as that!

So what is it exactly that makes a person find another person attractive?

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My name in Enrico and I come from El Salvador. I came to this country almost 15 years ago to have a better life for my family. I did it the legal way and waited my turn. Even though I come from a different country, I am an American. I am proud of my heritage and where I came from but I am here now and this is the country I love and the country I am proud to be a citizen of. God bless America! She is truly the nation above all nations.

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