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Torture... We Do or Don't!!!!
Jan 30, 2008 | 1:51 PM
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Torture
Does the United States Condone Torture?

Recently I hear that the U.S.A does Torture suspects then in the next breath Government officials say that the U.S.A. Does NOT torture suspects... I suppose the truth depends on who you ask and what they may or may not tell you. So perhaps these Governmental officials need a little lesson in English and the definition of torture...

Torture (Noun- Person, Place, Thing)
  1. The deliberate, systematic, or wanton infliction of physical or mental suffering by one or more persons in an attempt to force another person to yield information or to make a confession or for any other reason.
  2. Extreme mental distress.
  3. Unbearable physical pain.
  4. Intense feelings of suffering; acute mental or physical pain.

Torture (Verb- Action Word)
  1. Torment emotionally or mentally.
  2. Subject to torture.

The use of Torture tactics is despicable violation of human rights, and a grotesque practice of evil! The definition of torture clearly states the infliction of physical or mental suffering upon another person is torture. The Attorney General will not say whether the use of Waterboarding is illegal because it is not noted in the C.I.A. interrogation practices... Interesting that even though that particular tactic is not outlined in the C.I.A. interrogation tactics Waterboarding has been used on multiple suspects... I suppose that is why it depends on who you ask as to what answer you might find.


All that I want is for someone to give me a straight forward answer, not the Typical American Beat around the Bush half truth JUST the Honest Truth!

  1. Why did some United States Governmental Officials seek for C.I.A. Torture Exemptions? (One of them from Utah)
  2. What Torture Tactics are Acceptable?
  3. Why are there so many different answers as to the U.S. condoning torture?
  4. Is Washbording Torture?
  5. How much Physical or mental suffering is acceptable to inflict?
  6. If Torture is not condoned, why have people been tortured?
  7. Why did the C.I.A. DESTROY interrogation tapes?
  8. Isn't it a bad idea to destroy evidence if it clears you of wrong doing?
  9. When Our Elected Leaders constantly Lie and mis-inform the public on every issue, how do they expect me to believe them when they say "The U.S. Does not Torture..." A couple of years ago Mrs. Rice said that the United States doesn't have any secret overseas prisons. Well come to find out the truth that WE DO!!!
  10. So My last question is what else does the U.S. do that we say we don't do?
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gcwoody read my blog view my photos
Jan 31, 2008 | 4:02 PM

The U.S. does far more than any of us really are prepared to know. Gawd Akiame when you open a can you really open a can! Here is my initial take on what we as a country should be willing to do;

1. Do nothing more to any person than we would want someone to do to one of our own courageous souls, our son or daughter.

2. If you are in doubt on what to do with a prisoner see #1 above.

Our government steps beyond the line far too often, IMHO. I've never endured torture. I have endured training to prepare for capture. Gas and water torture is heinous. Our government refuses to tell the public what they do due to the rebuke they would receive. For every instance of abuse to 'foreign agents' we impose we must be willing to accept our soldiers will be subjected to the same or worse.

Give me liberty or give me death is much easier to say than to endure. We as a nation should set the highest standard of respect for human life and we should refuse to partake in any practice that creates the illusion of torture. Anything we dare do to others comes back to haunt our soldiers.

We do not understand the beheading practice yet in many ways our enemy sees it as more humane than what we do to their brethren we capture. This debate should not be placed in public, it should be left to the commanders who understand the risks to our captured men and women. Cruel treatment is amplified beyond our deeds. If we waterboard our enemy sees an acceptance of far worse to those captured from our soldiers. To error in favor of humanity is to help insure more humane treatment
ex_los_angelino
Jan 31, 2008 | 8:55 PM

WOW! After reading About akiame, I see you are at best case wierd, and worst case a total nut job. I suppose using the definition you cite, our soldiers shooting the bad guys would be torture too. Now how much sense does that make? All you bleeding-hearts seem to forget we are in a new kind of war here. I think we need to have torture clearly defined by our military leaders and endorsed by our elected officials. I'm not so ignorant to believe that the government doesn't do anything wrong, but it is rare. I have a problem giving non-US citizens living outside the USA the same rights as we have, especially ones who have demonstrated hostility against our country.

I absolutly defend your right to think whatever you want, regardless of how nutty you are. But your rights end when they infringe on my life and the safty of our country.
Crossover read my blog view my photos
Feb 4, 2008 | 8:50 AM

The bottom line with torture is whether it is an effective means of gathering intelligence. The best explanation of this that I ever heard was on Bill O’Reilly’s radio show. He had a retired General on who was outlining why he was opposed to torture. (I apologize for using such a vague reference, but it was a few years ago.) He specified three problems with the use of torture. First he said that at the beginning of the torture session the individual being tortured may be hostile, friendly, or indifferent to the U.S. However, after the torture is over he will most definitely be an enemy. Secondly, he said that when you begin torturing somebody they are going to start talking right away. The problem is that everything they say will be designed to get you stop torturing them. Even if they don’t have the information you seek they will make something up that sounds plausible enough to get you to stop. This is why confessions that arise from torture have such a high incidence of proving to be false. Third, and most important, as soon as you torture you lose any moral high ground that you might hold and give the enemy permission to torture our soldiers as well. If you are of the opinion that our enemy will torture regardless of our policies I would counter that you are missing the point. If they torture prisoners then they are war criminals. How can we claim to be on the side of lawfulness and civility if we allow ourselves to be dragged down to the level of common thugs and murderers? That’s not what America is all about.
Crossover read my blog view my photos
Feb 4, 2008 | 11:53 AM

One more thing about torture, I prefer to use the definition of torture found in U.S. law rather than a dictionary definition. That’s because it’s the definition the courts would use to determine whether torture has occurred. According to a federal anti-torture statute (18 U.S.C. § 2340A) enacted in 1994. Torture is defined as an, “act committed by a person acting under the color of law specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering (other than pain or suffering incidental to lawful sanctions) upon another person within his custody or physical control.” By this definition a soldier shooting at an enemy during combat wouldn’t be torture because the person being shot at wasn’t in his custody or control.
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/ts_search.pl?titl
e=18&sec=2340
akiame read my blog view my photos
Feb 5, 2008 | 11:29 AM

Here we go...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23012160/

"...Hayden strongly urged Congress not to limit the range of methods available to U.S. intelligence agencies...."

"...fewer than 100 people have been held by the CIA in its terrorist detention program. And of those, fewer than one-third were subjected to "enhanced" interrogation methods..."

So The United States of America TORTURES!!!

Just freaking admit it already! Grow a pair!!! All that the current administration is good at is mis-leading the public to attain their own "secret" agendas... For once in your life, be honest! Admit that we are going torture whom ever we please!
akiame read my blog view my photos
Feb 6, 2008 | 11:05 AM

White House defends use of waterboarding

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23030663

"WASHINGTON - The White House on Wednesday defended the use of the interrogation technique known as waterboarding, saying it is legal — not torture as critics argue — and has saved American lives..."


Soooo Humane! Besides they just "feel" like they are going to die... Gee Golly Miss Molly they arnt really going to...
akiame read my blog view my photos
Jun 18, 2008 | 11:32 AM

The CIA defends waterboarding, harsh techniques...

A CIA lawyer says that "Torture is Basically subject to perception..."

Basically means that it is only torture if they want it to be... Typical ploy from those in power... If the Rules are an obstacle change the rules, ignore them, or make a rule that says which rules you can ignore...

Funny that Here I have been thinking that the law applies to everyone and not just the lowly citizens...
akiame read my blog view my photos
Oct 15, 2008 | 8:30 AM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27192452
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