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A friends wife taught her first year of school this year in Salt Lake. She's a very good teacher. She was given classes with mostly minority students who spoke little Engish. Since many struggled and she graded them accordingly, that looks bad for the administrators. Don't rock their boat and get their jobs questioned. Lets just pass these kids so the school looks good. And she gets penalized as they won't renew her teaching contract. Maybe the administrators need a house cleaning.
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pissedoff702 read my blog
Apr 29, 2008 | 11:11 AM

What has to happen is the kids need to learn to speak english. that will never happen because the parents don't speak english. and the parents don't take responsibilty for their kids because they are not at home. because they are working for $2 an hour because they don't speak english. Most of the schools in the valley have high number of minority non english speaking students. everyone wants to blame the teachers when the kids fail. It is not the teachers fault if theparents won't hold the kids accountable.

pissedoff702 read my blog
Apr 29, 2008 | 11:12 AM

What has to happen is the kids need to learn to speak english. that will never happen because the parents don't speak english. and the parents don't take responsibilty for their kids because they are not at home. because they are working for $2 an hour because they don't speak english. Most of the schools in the valley have high number of minority non english speaking students. everyone wants to blame the teachers when the kids fail. It is not the teachers fault if theparents won't hold the kids accountable.

pissedoff702 read my blog
Apr 29, 2008 | 11:12 AM

What has to happen is the kids need to learn to speak english. that will never happen because the parents don't speak english. and the parents don't take responsibilty for their kids because they are not at home. because they are working for $2 an hour because they don't speak english. Most of the schools in the valley have high number of minority non english speaking students. everyone wants to blame the teachers when the kids fail. It is not the teachers fault if theparents won't hold the kids accountable.

pissedoff702 read my blog
Apr 29, 2008 | 11:12 AM

What has to happen is the kids need to learn to speak english. that will never happen because the parents don't speak english. and the parents don't take responsibilty for their kids because they are not at home. because they are working for $2 an hour because they don't speak english. Most of the schools in the valley have high number of minority non english speaking students. everyone wants to blame the teachers when the kids fail. It is not the teachers fault if theparents won't hold the kids accountable.

Mariposa_Xochipilli read my blog
Apr 29, 2008 | 11:13 AM

You should read my blogs.

This is the exact abuse districts use to keep good teachers from making corruption public.

The Jordan School District actually goes so far as to 'teach' their staff how to document in ways that won't draw attention from those who have oversight obligations (I printed it off the internet before they removed it from the website).

The catch being that they are able to do this at the expense of the truth and having to be accountable to the public.

kjm1102 read my blog
Apr 29, 2008 | 1:30 PM

Get a good look and learn. This is what “healthcare” will be like if Hillary, Obama, or McCain get their way. Here in Utah, thanks to the voters, the public schools have no real competition. Now that isn’t to say there isn’t a choice; there is, you only have to pay for it out of pocket, like the “High Street” Dr.s and private hospitals of the UK, Canada and the other socialized countries of the West.

Our Tax paid schools are top heavy, more concerned with control of cost and appearances than the product and ultimate outcome. Yep, we have outcome based education. The only problem it is the producers who determine just what justifies an acceptable outcome, not the Secondary Educators or the employers who must perform remedial education to utilize the final product of these schools.

I am sorry to see yet another idealistic teacher face the institutional discouragement that is our tax payer “education” system, but if one (educators as well as others) looks at history; one will find that anytime the competition is effectively removed corruption and ineptitude follows (US Auto industry in the 70’s!).
The free market with minimal control would advance education and produce educated students fit for the next stage of life. Minimal control for education would be standards for outcome and the “reward”/$ attached to that rather than the “process” and # “served”.

If I had to do it again, my children would have only seen the inside of a public school when I voted, to participate in band/orchestra and play in team sports (football, water polo…). These indoctrination camp

kjm1102 read my blog
Apr 29, 2008 | 1:31 PM

Get a good look and learn. This is what “healthcare” will be like if Hillary, Obama, or McCain get their way. Here in Utah, thanks to the voters, the public schools have no real competition. Now that isn’t to say there isn’t a choice; there is, you only have to pay for it out of pocket, like the “High Street” Dr.s and private hospitals of the UK, Canada and the other socialized countries of the West.

Our Tax paid schools are top heavy, more concerned with control of cost and appearances than the product and ultimate outcome. Yep, we have outcome based education. The only problem it is the producers who determine just what justifies an acceptable outcome, not the Secondary Educators or the employers who must perform remedial education to utilize the final product of these schools.

I am sorry to see yet another idealistic teacher face the institutional discouragement that is our tax payer “education” system, but if one (educators as well as others) looks at history; one will find that anytime the competition is effectively removed corruption and ineptitude follows (US Auto industry in the 70’s!).
The free market with minimal control would advance education and produce educated students fit for the next stage of life. Minimal control for education would be standards for outcome and the “reward”/$ attached to that rather than the “process” and # “served”.

If I had to do it again, my children would have only seen the inside of a public school when I voted, to participate in band/orchestra and play in team sports (football, water polo…). These indoctrination camp

kjm1102 read my blog
Apr 29, 2008 | 1:33 PM

Sorry about the repeat. I don't know what happened there. As slip of the finger no doubt.

I read an ethnography of the USA written in the late ‘40s. It was written by a British anthropologist. I found it interesting that when they listed the top 5 priorities of the public school system educating the student was not listed.

“Educator” employment and the security of “educator” employment, enculturating (sacrificed to the god of Diversity), socializing (one of the highest priorities today), and development of new educational process (testing theories of education/brainwashing) were the top 4. Standardizing the educational process/politicizing education was the last of the 5.

Take a look; they have been very successful.
Once tenure is gained it, virtually, takes imprisonment to remove an “educator” from their position.
The enculterization goal (ensuring the children can go to most any region of the country and function in public for this nation of immigrants) was sacrificed to the “higher” goals of keep my job and let me experiment.
They are very standardized (“no student left behind” is a national standard) they have made it very political (the teacher’s unions run the Utah congress and, by virtue of the education branch of the federal government they have a big “foot print” there too); if an elected official crosses “the union” they are attacked on the party and public level thus risk losing elections.

Again I am very sorry, not only for your friend.

bubbapit read my blog
Apr 29, 2008 | 2:08 PM

By passing these kids how do they expect to give them a reason to learn English? I went to grade school in the 60's, there were some that failed and were held back. But we knew it was a real possibility, therefore we put forth some effort. There has to be some incentive to learn, knowing that passing is all but guaranteed is a farce. And to penalize teachers for doing their jobs properly is wrong. They even put in a mentor teacher to evalate, his opinion was she was doing everything right, but she's still out of a job. It's not PC to do your job in schools today. I was fortunate and had good teachers that were allowed to teach us, not just babysit us.

Mariposa_Xochipilli read my blog
Apr 29, 2008 | 2:16 PM

There IS an existing option, but districts are too powerful and have a strangle hold on procedural safeguards. For disabled students, IDEA mandates private education at public expense when a district is unable to meet a student's needs.
The catch is that it is the district who gets to decide when they can no longer meet their legal burden. The incentive for them making that decision responsibly would be ... what? Especially knowing there are millions of dollars at stake if they admit they got it wrong.
In our case, it was the district superintendent who said what the district was doing wasn't working and asked what needed to be done. Our response was private education at public expense. They've been fighting it for nearly two years now.
Currently, they finally put acceptance for one program in writing, but then filled out our paperwork themselves; usurping our involvement to cover for their corruption.
What they don't know is that we got the papers from the program ourselves and will be filling them out without direct district say in anything but payment.
The moment we do that, things like the Carson Smith Scholarship become nothing more than a parental choice program. Every student who would not have chosen it can go back to their district and ask for what we received. Parents of regular ed students will then have a stronger stance for vouchers.

dracco73 read my blog
Apr 30, 2008 | 2:10 AM

Davis Co. Schools don't even follow their own policy. They denied my children their rights under their very own policy. They're unfit to educate my children.

bubbapit read my blog
Apr 30, 2008 | 7:12 AM

I think vouchers may help some kids into a better education. But do vouchers create a legal means of segregation? After all it will take money still to get into private schools leaving many out. I guess thats a whole different can of worms to open. Clearly schools need to be fixed.

Mariposa_Xochipilli read my blog
Apr 30, 2008 | 9:23 AM

The real solution would be to attach the funding to the child. In countries that have that plan, the public schools became better real quick! Students had free choice to attend the school they wanted. Most opted to stay in the public school system.
My problem is with a system that can not do their job and be rewarded when families leave to home or private school while still paying for the broken system.
Districts already have means of segregation. Put 'them' into a clustered program away from other students ... create entire schools where the 'problem' can be addressed.
I'm not opposed to clusters or vouchers, but the determining factor has to be the students.
It's not going to cost us a penny to get into Indiana University's Online High School program or to pay for the $400 per class. The district screwed this up; they get to fix it. Even their attorney said this was on their dime.
Might your teacher friend consider being the case manager for this pioneering endeavor? A few of these private education at public expense situations and districts will have to reform.

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