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Land of the free?
Apr 23, 2008 | 7:39 PM
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I read an article recently published in an academic journal that I found to be rather ironic and rather disturbing.

 

A side by side Comparison was made of the U.S. constitution when it was created, and what it has become today. It was rather disgusting to see how close we have come to being what the founders of our country fought so hard to get away from. However, times have changed and I’m not so simple minded to believe that some changes were not needed along the way to ensure our freedom and liberty in a world that was growing more and more complicated.....but...our government has taken it much farther than that.

 

Here’s the ironic part. This study also did a side by side comparison to the U.S. constitution, and the current English constitution. Pound for pound, if the American colonies had just continued under English rule, we would have more liberty and freedom today as Englishmen, rather than Americans.

 

To push that irony even further, when Bush was on the war path and the French openly criticized the U.S. for so blindly going to war.  So many of us started pouring French wine down the gutter and eating “freedom fries”. Well, thanks to the President so many of us so diligently supported on his crusade into the middle east, the creation and passing of the Patriot Act put us so completely under the thumb of our own government that we now have less liberties and freedoms than the people who made that wine we so gleefully wasted. That’s right..........

 

“America, the land of the not as free as half the western world...and the home of the brave..”

 

Doesn’t have the same ring to it, does it?

 

 

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spacealien read my blog view my photos
Apr 24, 2008 | 8:45 AM

and in engalnd the people are free to own as many firearms as they want....NOT!!!
chadevb read my blog
Apr 24, 2008 | 10:13 AM

Spacealien, if you think freedom revolves around firearms you have some serious issues you need to attend to.
Breakdown read my blog
Apr 24, 2008 | 11:21 AM

I want to say that you're wrong, I want to say that the study is without real basis. With the Euro beating out the dollar almost two to one (1.56 at the time I write this). It's hard to say that they aren't better off then we are, but since I've never been over there I can't really say.

Personally, I would like all the free time they get. Most of Europe gets a months paid vacation from day one of employment.

And because I know chadevb loves documentation:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/4187452.stm
pissedoff702 read my blog
Apr 24, 2008 | 11:27 AM

Some people want to brand everetone a traitor that speaks out, That is not what liberty means. It does not mean to follow blindly mindlessly surrendering your own beleifs, It means having your own beleifs, and being able to express them, with out narrow minded individuials telling you that your wrong and their beleifs are right and that is the end of the story. I am glad can own guns in this country I own guns, and I have the right to have my thoughts posted on this website witch I'm sure is the next thing the government will try yo take away.
grandmasays read my blog
Apr 24, 2008 | 11:55 AM

THANKS FOR YOUR SUPORT. YES IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE BRAD AS A DADDY YA RIGHT, TAKE CARE AND MY GOD BLESS YOU
chadevb read my blog
Apr 24, 2008 | 12:12 PM

lol..

Thanks Breaky, I appreciate the article.

I enjoy the freedoms we currently have, don't get me wrong. What bothers me is that we used to be brightest light in the world for liberty and freedom. Now we just say we are and..

" brand everyone a traitor that speaks out."

As pissedoff, pointed out. And as I mentioned above, when the French spoke out they were branded as cowards and anti-American.

Americans seem to love to bring up that America liberated France from the Germans, but these same people don't seem to like to talk about the fact that there were almost as many Frenchmen fighting in America for American independence so long ago.

It's time for some serious changes. We are arrogant because we are ignorant, and that is DANGEROUS. The Patriot Act has shown us how ignorant we are, and that our government is VERY, VERY, VERY WILLING to take advantage of us.

We aren't only less free now than the Brits and the French, but also the Aussies, Kiwis, Spain, CANADA! The list goes on.

We brag about our freedom of speech but guess what?! That's old news! That's like bragging about your new 8-track tape deck in your Chevy Nova! And don't forget to go get your PERMIT if you wish to protest and demonstrate, that way you can protest and demonstrate in the designated area!

We brag about our right to bear arms. Yeah, this is a good one. But the only reason it's a "right" in the first place is because it was designed to allow WE THE PEOPLE to be capable of removing a corrupt government from power, and restoring the constitution!!! But guess what, we can't
chadevb read my blog
Apr 24, 2008 | 12:13 PM

*continued, sorry, I'm wordy*


But guess what, we can't have the same kind "arms" our government has, and rightfully so, I don't need my neighbor EDIT shooting with a stinger missile. But to even have a fully automatic rifle is illegal. So, the right to bear arms is a moot point.

Breaky, also pointed out a better economic situation in other countries. Should we now talk about healthcare? Should we talk about that joke? I consider myself a patriot. I’m not talking about abandoning ship, I’m talking about a mutiny, this ship needs to be turned around, and taken back home.
spacealien read my blog view my photos
Apr 24, 2008 | 12:32 PM

chadevb
Apr 24, 2008 | 10:13 AM Spacealien, if you think freedom revolves around firearms you have some serious issues you need to attend to.

and to that i say:
and just exactly how did the founding fathers secure freedom from britian? oooooohhhhhh, that's right!! with peaceful protests and hunger strikes!!!!
pissedoff702 read my blog
Apr 24, 2008 | 1:02 PM

Freedom revolves around the whole constution and it's amendments, not just around the 2nd amendment. We used to be better off than the rest of the world here, but we aren't anymore, for to many reasons to name here. WE THE PEOPLE have to take back our goverment.
chadevb read my blog
Apr 24, 2008 | 1:03 PM

Spacealien, wow, you really do believe that freedom revolves around firearms.

My point is, yes it's a great freedom to have and a great freedom to keep. But in case you hadn't noticed, it's no longer the 1770's champ! The people don't have weapons to match that of their government. Change is needed and you're not going to achieve it with your 12-gauge and Glock. You'll just end up on..

"America's Most Shockingly Stupid Criminals."..

While a video of you being being tasered outside the door of your Chevy Nova by Clearfield PD is being played on cable T.V. A real movement for change will be taking place.
chadevb read my blog
Apr 24, 2008 | 1:05 PM

Well said PO702. I couldn't agree more.

No more lobbying, no more electorial college, no more two party system. No more BS.
Slowdog read my blog
Apr 24, 2008 | 1:17 PM

RE: "WE THE PEOPLE have to take back our goverment."

I hope you will remember that the next time you vote. As long as we keep sending the same blowhards back to Washington, nothing will change.
spacealien read my blog view my photos
Apr 25, 2008 | 9:57 AM

chad.. you still don't get it. the reason why we have never been coquered as anation by outside forces, and the reason our own government has never instituted a totalitarian dictatorship is because we the people have our firearms!! the whole constitution and our freedom IS secured by the rock that is called Article 2 of The Bill Of Rights. firearms are our last means of defending our freedom, not our first.
no more lobbyists? how do you expect to get laws passed? if you, joe doe, aveage citizen see a need for a worthwhile law, how are you to get your senators or representative to work for it if you are not allowed to lobby for it?
and the electoral college? that is ONLY for the office of the president and vice president. NO OTHER ELECTED OFFICIAL IS SUBJECT TO THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE! thank you once again for your pure genious our founding fathers!! presidential candidate are the ONLY POLITICAL CANDIDATE VOTED ON BY THE ENTIRE COUNTRY!! the presidential campaign has already degenerated into nothing more than a popularity contest with empty rhetoric and meaningless promises. take away the electoral college and we might as well have all the candidates appear on american idol!! gee, that's sure a swell way to choose the leader of the most powerful nation in the history of planet earth!!
pissedoff702 read my blog
Apr 25, 2008 | 10:31 AM

There are people who are professinal lobbyists. who make a lot of money and give a lot in the form of gifts to our proud public servants we elect to look out for us, we need to eliminate this. we also need to eliminate being a congressman as a career choice, (2) terms and your out just like being president. And the electoral college was set up for when there was no mass media or communication there is nothing wrong with electing the president by popular vote we can aviod misshapps like the last 2 preidential elections where the wrong jackass was elected. No one is saying take away guns.
chadevb read my blog
Apr 25, 2008 | 10:46 AM

Spacey, how many times do I need to tell you that I'M NOT AGAINST THE 2ND AMMENDMENT???

However, I AM telling you that you're placing far too much importance on it! Do you really think that is the reason why we have never been "conquered" by a foreign threat? I hate to break it to you but the main reason for that is OUR LOCATION AND SIZE! Third world neighbors to our south, and a rather passive, non-aggressive, neighbor to the north. But that's not even relevant.

You mentioned earlier that it was our firearms (along with the French)that helped liberate us from England, I agree with that. But look at England for a second.

How many times have the Brits been "conquered" by a foreign government? None? Do they have the "right" to bear arms in the capacity that we do? No? Think about the Soviet Union WW2 time frame. Germany knocking on their door, did they have the right to bear arms? No. Did they defeat the Germans? Yes. Who was taken by Germany in WW2? Poland, Denmark, Norway, Belgium, Netherlands, Greece, Yugoslavia, and France. Did I miss any? Most were rather small and the only one that had a chance to put up a really good fight was France and they were right next door.

China, Australia, Spain, Canada, the list goes on for a long time. I'd like you to name me one country that at any time since the establishment of the USA, that has even been a remotely large influence in the world that has fallen to a foreign invasion OUTSIDE of France to Germany in WW1/WW2.

“the reason our own government has never instituted a totalitarian dictatorship”

Ok, so please now
chadevb read my blog
Apr 25, 2008 | 11:05 AM

*continued*
Ok, so please now give me a list of countries (not third world) that have had no right to bear arms that have also been moved into a dictatorship style leadership. I can only think of one, Germany, and Hitler didn’t do it by force. He talked them into it.

Thank you, PO702. That was going to be my point exactly! There is NO reason why it should be illegal to not wear your seat belt in this country. (Insurance lobbyists) There should be no reason why all of us do not have a DECENT healthcare plan! (Pharmaceutical lobbyists) At the rate at which we’ve known the fossil fuels to be disappearing, there is no reason why this country should not have already started to move to alternate fuel source decades ago (oil lobbyists). Why do you think there is such a large anti-smoking push? Do you think our government really cares about us that much? No! Again, insurance lobbying. Our government is literally bought and paid for by “special interest”.

And now you’re confusing me, Spacey. You sound like someone who appreciates a government that’s for the people, by the people, but you have a problem with the people having a vote that COUNTS?

Our system is out of date and the only reason it hasn’t changed is because people are making a ton of money, and those people are not you and me!

“presidential candidate are the ONLY POLITICAL CANDIDATE VOTED ON BY THE ENTIRE COUNTRY!!”

Yeah, this is true, but if we have no real choice as to who these presidential candidates are, what’s the point? The two party system is a design of control created by both parties to ensur
chadevb read my blog
Apr 25, 2008 | 11:06 AM

*cont.*

The two party system is a design of control created by both parties to ensure that the BS continues forever, and Since Ross Perot came as close as he did (even though it wasn’t that close) back in ’92, they’ve made it even harder for any third party candidate to be heard.
GentleBen54 read my blog
Apr 25, 2008 | 12:50 PM

I'm getting tired of that government lackey named spacealien. He should go back to space. Better yet why doesn't he move to Washington so he can kiss all those NAZI a--holes. He's a know-it-all who doesn't know jack! Or worse, he's nothing but a parrot who repeats what others say, without having a single brain cell in his hat rack. He and his kind would rather stick their heads in the sand and pretend that everything is hunky-dorey!
spacealien read my blog view my photos
Apr 26, 2008 | 9:10 AM

chad... japan (even though that was about 400 years ago), russia, spain (the spanish civil war), and yes, germany (hilter wasn't able to persuade EVERYONE, those people he had killed).
england never conquered by a foriegn government? ever hear of william the conqerer? or the picts? or the danes? or the ROMANS? or tha saxons? or the anglos? hey, you never said anything about a certain time frame!
as far as america, our size and location really have nothing to do with it. the soviet union had several well-thought out plans to take us over and occupy this country. the benefits of having a division officer who attended the naval war college.
as for the 2 party system? hey, if you can get enough people to go along with you and force the issue on a nation-wide ballot initiative, i'm there with you!!!!! i do agree with you on that point. however, i am against mandatory term limits of ANY kind! that's one of the main reasons i NEVER vote for an incumbent! too bad so few other people do the same!!

wattsa matta notsogentlebennieboob?????? having a difficult time with someone disagreeing with you? so you resort to the only tactic you know?? calling names and issueing put-downs? hoombuuberdinga!!! what a person to admire for his whit and wisdom!!!
chadevb read my blog
Apr 26, 2008 | 12:29 PM

Spacey, I DID give you a time frame... You can read this above..

"I'd like you to name me one country that at any time since the establishment of the USA, that has even been a remotely large influence in the world that has fallen to a foreign invasion "...

So that gives you from about 1776 to today. Your examples of invasion ALL fall before then, however in terms of a regime change the Spanish civil war does not. I was impressed you brought this war up, not a lot of people know about this one. HOWEVER it falls outside of the terms I set as well, for this reason that I mentioned above.

“give me a list of countries (not third world) that have HAD NO RIGHT to bear arms that have also been moved into a dictatorship style leadership.”

Spain had the right to bear arms, Spain was a constitutional monarchy before the civil war and they had this right, but even though they did, the government still transformed into a dictatorship. As far as Russia goes in this matter, they have come in and out of several different types of unstable government for years and don’t help your point much at all.
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Moved out of Utah last year for a job position. California is nice but I miss home!! You never know just how unique Utah is until you're really not there anymore.

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