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I do not tithe at the moment, this is going to sound very arrogant but I don't know of anyone truthfully who can teach me what I don't already know, that is pertinent anyway.  And that is the basis for new testament tithing, you share your carnal things with the one who teaches you spiritual things.  Could I find such a teacher in SLC, I would tithe a traditional 10% only if the teacher was waving his or her tax exemption.  I feel the church should pay it's own way.

How do you feel about the church getting a free ride building more and more temples all the time tax exempt, in the face of the current economic crisis?

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codromystro read my blog
Oct 7, 2008 | 9:33 PM

It's kind of like laundering money now!

richardcheney read my blog view my photos
Oct 7, 2008 | 9:45 PM

"You share your carnel things with the one who teaches you spiritual things" as if there is supposed to be a difference. Then you have not learned the greatest lesson of tithing, and I won't bore you with what that is.

akiame read my blog view my photos
Oct 8, 2008 | 9:31 AM

Followers tithe 10% then write it off of their taxes... Then the establishment takes that money and invests to make more money.

Everyone should get the same benefit... Everyone should be able to write off 10% for investing!

codromystro read my blog
Oct 8, 2008 | 11:22 AM

richard I'm very familiar with your brand of or principles of tithing. They are full of bondage and guilt. God did grant certain promises in connection with certain traditional tithes, such as prosperity, etc.
I'm not doubting the within reach promises through certain traditions. But that is not the new testament brand of tithing.

codromystro read my blog
Oct 8, 2008 | 11:26 AM

And richard please don't talk down to me!
People keep insinuating I don't know. You don't know what I know.

richardcheney read my blog view my photos
Oct 8, 2008 | 11:55 AM

Bondage and guilt? If that's the story you want to stick with, be my guest. Pardon me if I disagree. If what you know has left you that reality, that's an entirely different reality than mine for applying [maybe] the same principle. I'm happy and guilt-free. Sorry if that offends.

codromystro read my blog
Oct 8, 2008 | 1:07 PM

Oh it doesn't, I just wanted you to know it is why you are giving. Is it when you give you get more....very carnal outlook. Or is it because you've been told that is what you should do?

sunsmiles read my blog
Oct 8, 2008 | 4:44 PM

Where is the faith? I pay my tithing and its true, I am so thankful for all of the blessings I get.

codromystro read my blog
Oct 8, 2008 | 7:51 PM

Study a little bit and find out the reality of the principle of tithing. The king James Bible you Mormons just forget it your so brain washed. They have feed you a line for so long you truly believe it. How many of you tithers are in the middle of a crisis, boy that's a blessing. What, does someone give you a hamburger for free once in a while at McDonald's. If you look closely those blessings are yours for the asking, not because you paid God. That is where the faith is.

dracco73 read my blog
Oct 8, 2008 | 10:18 PM

I agree that Church's should pay taxes.

richardcheney read my blog view my photos
Oct 9, 2008 | 1:42 AM

Codro, someday, you are going to understand that I am a happy man. Your slings of brainwashing and guilt and slavery don't hit home and you bring them up so often, it seems you are surrounded by those slings. It takes more than a little study to understand this principle. Scratching the surface will not do. I'm in no crisis. And if I were, Insha'Allah. I still own my home, pay my mortgage and my taxes, etc, etc. And I don't frequent the golden arches; I cook my own food. My faith is not in the dollars in my pocket. They're just a tool, like anything else, not an end in themselves. No, God does not put more in my pocket nor a hamburger in my pie hole. One does not pay tithing to get anything. Wrong motivation. I'm not enslaved and not guilt-ridden. I could quit paying tithing at anytime. I choose not. My choice and mine alone, for my reasons. It's like the freedom of not smoking: I could start at any time; I choose not. Isn't that blessings enough? For me, yes. I'm frankly undecided on churches paying taxes, but I guess I don't have a problem with it if it is required.

codromystro read my blog
Oct 9, 2008 | 1:21 PM

I really don't mean to Mormon bash, I just really was talking to Christians who have an unhealthy idea on tithing. I am not against tithing. The first fruits for example...this is a festival of tithing in which you give every bit 100% of you crops to God. And then 10% after wards. This insured prosperity. If you truly want to keep all of the traditions of tithing when you get a new job give your whole first paycheck to God. For prosperity. Though I will not deny that God honors his promise! I can not afford to possess that promise. But then you think how can you afford not too!

killing-frost read my blog
Oct 14, 2008 | 7:48 AM

I really think that most churches that have tithing as a part of their doctrine all ready give back much more than is taken. I don't think any church should be taxed when the money that is used, is to further an organization that is intended to help people.
That help may be through building temples all the way down to putting food on someones table in a time of need. I hope to see more help offered by people in this way, (through churches) rather than waiting for our government to take care of it.

ReneeC read my blog
Oct 14, 2008 | 12:17 PM

Tithing is a commitment to God in discipline and faith. God doesn't need money - - He already has it all. We are tested as followers. Most churches are committed to helping people and communities with no expectations of a pay back from the gov't or other group. This charity benefits everyone in some way so I don't think it should be taxed as a business - - it's not for profit. Members give their time and money as well as use other resources for its benefit to serve others. People who tithe do not get a "tax write-off" for their money paid as tithes. There is only a small portion(%) donated to churches (&other charities) that is used as a credit towards the taxable income.Trust me, it's not that much credit for any charitable contributions for the middle class tax payer. My tithes are an "after-tax" amount.

ReneeC read my blog
Oct 14, 2008 | 12:17 PM

Tithing is a commitment to God in discipline and faith. God doesn't need money - - He already has it all. We are tested as followers. Most churches are committed to helping people and communities with no expectations of a pay back from the gov't or other group. This charity benefits everyone in some way so I don't think it should be taxed as a business - - it's not for profit. Members give their time and money as well as use other resources for its benefit to serve others. People who tithe do not get a "tax write-off" for their money paid as tithes. There is only a small portion(%) donated to churches (&other charities) that is used as a credit towards the taxable income.Trust me, it's not that much credit for any charitable contributions for the middle class tax payer. My tithes are an "after-tax" amount.

codromystro read my blog
Oct 14, 2008 | 1:11 PM

Let me ask you ReneeC do you write off your tithe? because that is suposed to be in private and never should be written off it's a gift of faith to God according to you.

codromystro read my blog
Oct 14, 2008 | 1:12 PM

That brings about greedy two fold reasoning.

codromystro read my blog
Oct 14, 2008 | 1:16 PM

And why should your tithe be from your net.
He didn't take your money Ceaser did. You are charging God

kjm1102 read my blog
Oct 16, 2008 | 6:46 AM

I don't write off my tithe and offerings just because it is a private matter.

I have been blessed. You may not understand the difference between a blessing and an entitlement, but I'm not the one to teach you.

As for guilt and the like, that too is personal but I don’t see too many “tithe payers” who portray their giving as an act of penance, repentance or as an item “owed”. The “tithe payers” of which I am a ware, it is a private issue after all, generally see it as an opportunity and a privilege. It has already been stated that God dose not need our money. What HE seeks is our hearts not our money, but for many, money is where their heart is. It defines them as well as others; it is the measure of man beast and machine; therefore to freely give money with not thought of reward is a measure of the heart.

kjm1102 read my blog
Oct 16, 2008 | 6:47 AM

As for the bits and pieces of scripture you are throwing about, anyone can repeat the words and come up with a verse of two to suit their purpose. One needs to have insight and guidance to learn what the full scriptures are teaching. The scriptures are like a fine feast; there are many flavors/dishes that make up the whole feast. No one flavor/dish constitute the feast. It requires the offering of all the flavors/dishes at one meal to make it a feast. So too with the scriptures, any one verse, story or book may have value but the real value is when you have them all and you can grasp the whole of it.

You may understand this, but choose to ignore this for the sway gained by making a false point via scriptural reference. It has been done many times before. Remember the Pharisees used scripture to try to confound the Lord and His followers.

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As Leon Russell would put it "I've been so many places in my life time" I'm 56 this Nov. I've seen my country go through a lot of changes. I personally while being a guitar player song writer for 38 of those years. I supported my music by becoming an optician, graduated top of my class, went on to manage 5 Dr.' offices and one super store. Before my forced retirement. I'm the street version of House. I have sciatic palsy. The limp and the pain just a little different medication I've been taking for 35 yrs. My point I hear a lot of angry young people on this site and I think a lot of them haven't been through or done enough to be that angry. But I am personally unhappy when I get cursed at and told what it is like by some kid. Not that young people don't have valid contribution. The name calling and stuff I can do without.

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