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An Atheist in an ocean of Theists

by dracco73 from Clinton, UT

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What do you think of Hitchens? You may also wish to listen to Dawkins or Condell. They are two other brilliant minds.

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codromystro read my blog
Aug 26, 2008 | 1:03 PM

So brilliant he has thought himself round and round in a circle. When there are people who have indeed witnessed the existence of God one can only conclude that he is a brilliant idiot!
He doesn't even know the truth. How could he possible verify or disprove his theory. God has people stumbling all over themselves just because they think they are so smart. And I'm with him on that one. I wouldn't want to know most of you either!

dracco73 read my blog
Aug 26, 2008 | 10:48 PM

You can't prove or disprove your hypothesis either. God doesn't even rate a theory. There is absolutely no proof of god. There is far more evidence, or lack thereof to disprove him which, granted, is a theory, but is much more believable than the invisible man in the sky hypothesis. You say, "When there are people who have indeed witnessed the existence of God". PROVE IT! That's right, you cannot.

God isn't making anyone "stumbling over" anything, because he/she/it doesn't exist. The only people stumbling are zealot apologists trying to explain away the hate, atrocities, intolerances, lack of evidence, inconsistencies and paradoxes in their religion.

This man in the video is trully enlightened. A person who thinks freely and independently of the restraint and oppression that is religion. Someone who seeks truth instead of being nestled head and life long into fairytale.

I think anyone has the right to believe what they will about the existence of god or gods or to not believe. My problem is with people that try to force their god down others throats with unconstitutional legislation. These people are tryin to legislate the laws of a bronze age mythical diety that's based upon pagan sun worship. Religion is a poison to society. It may be beneficial in a private aspect to those that wish to adhere to the tenets of the faith, but never when people are forced despite their own beliefs. I personally don't think fornication, prostitution, adultry, polygamy, bigamy, sanctity of marriage etc have any place in our laws. I DON'T CARE WHAT THE CHRISTIAN BIBLE SAYS!

Breakdown read my blog
Aug 27, 2008 | 6:59 AM

Do you care what the Qur'an says? The Tibeten Book of the Dead? The Pentateuch? The Dead Sea Scrolls?

Perhaps if it came from Buddah, The Hindu, Ra or The Norse Gods?

dracco73 read my blog
Aug 27, 2008 | 11:05 AM

I don't care about Myths. I use christianity as an example in this thread, because it applies to the majority of the readers of this thread.

If you are wishing to discuss history and the beliefs of an ancient society, then fine, we can talk about mythology. We can discuss how religion was a means to explain what we didn't know scientifically. However, that's not the case now. People are actually passing these religions off as the explanation of the creation of universe with their only proof being text that has been regurgitate, retranslated, added to and subtracted from over a course of several thousand years. I don't care what any of them say. There is no scientific data to back any of it up. It's not plausable and even if we consider the creator hypothesis, then we could apply any one of thousands of candidates, to include Zeus. The popular theory (process of selection) as to how man came to be, has actual scientic FACTS to support it. Facts observed by humans.

Let me ask you a few things...

1) If you have to find god, does that mean he's hidin'?

2) Why are there many groups of people in the world that have never been exposed to the Christian faith, by humans, that have no knowledge of your christian god? If your god is omnipotent omniscience and omnipresent, wouldn't he be capable of reaching those that haven't been reached? The truth is, many die having never even known the Christian god.

dracco73 read my blog
Aug 27, 2008 | 11:19 AM

Also consider that Thomas Jefferson, our founding forefather and co-author of the first amendment was a deist. NOT A CHRISTIAN! He was adamant about a seperation of church and law. No just a state appointed church, but any establishment of religion. Despite what many christian apologists say or how they interpret the meaning. The intent is CLEAR! Read about it. I'll reference more later.

4sportie read my blog view my photos
Aug 27, 2008 | 12:41 PM

The proof of God's existence is found in the individual testimony of those who truly know.

Skooby read my blog view my photos
Aug 27, 2008 | 1:07 PM

The proof of Allah's existence is found in the individual testimony of those who truly know.

The testimonies you are talking about are not eye witness accounts. They are accounts of feelings. Churches teach the absurd notion that a good feeling denotes truth. Your testimony is no more valid than the testimony of a muslim or Jew. All you are testifying is that when you imagine an all loving sky daddy that guides your life you get a good feeling. So what? When I imagine having sex with Mariah Carey I get a good feeling that lets me know that it is true. Feelings aren't testimony. What if the cops showed up to your house and arrested you for murder because a psychic told them it was you. And the only evidence presented in court was the psychic saying 'I feel it in my heart that he is the killer'. Yeah case closed right? Feelings are not proof of truth.

Skooby read my blog view my photos
Aug 27, 2008 | 1:15 PM

'God has people stumbling all over themselves just because they think they are so smart.'

No actually it is the other way around. There is a direct correlation between intelligence, education and lack of belief in the supernatural. It has been shown that the more education and intelligence a person has, the less likely they will believe in magic, myths and fairy tales. Also the recruitment of new converts is stagnant and also declining in well educated countries. New recruitment is robust and growing in countries with a large populace of uneducated people. If you think Hitchens 'stumbled' you either didn't watch this fascinating debate or you didn't understand it.

dracco73 read my blog
Aug 27, 2008 | 1:59 PM

"The proof of God's existence is found in the individual testimony of those who truly know."




That is not a valid argument that shows proof. Who are "those that trully know"? Where is the proof they that they know? That logic can apply to Santa Clause man! There are tons of kids that believe in that lie, yet that doesn't make Santa real.

-D-

codromystro read my blog
Aug 27, 2008 | 2:19 PM

Thank you 4sporty
I don't know why he doesn't want everyone to know?

dracco73 read my blog
Aug 27, 2008 | 3:03 PM

Yeah I guess that means the Loch Ness Monster exists because people have claimed to have witnessed it. That logic means ALL gods exist. Yeah that's a brilliant point.

Lerxst2 view my photos
Aug 27, 2008 | 9:08 PM

Religion is not a science, so there is no way to scientifically prove God exists. So who created the world? Why are we here and where did we come from? What happens after life on earth?

Have you ever seen the birth of a child? How can one deny there is a Supreme Creator? There is a reason we are all here.

If one doesn't think this nation was formed on a belief of God, then you are blatantly ignoring an important part of our history. read this: Jefferson did believe in God: http://www.acw70indiana.com/godandfoundingfathers.htmr>
Alma 30:44 states: But Alma said unto him: Thou hast had signs enough; will ye tempt your God? Will ye say, Show unto me a sign, when ye have the testimony of all these thy brethren, and also all the holy prophets? The scriptures are laid before thee, yea, and all things denote there is a God; yea, even the earth, and call things that are upon the face of it, yea, and its motion, yea, and also all the planets which move in their regular form do witness that there is a Supreme Creator.

dracco73 read my blog
Aug 27, 2008 | 11:19 PM

Lerxst2,

Quoting scripture is not an argument. A book written by humans is not proof of anything. Jefferson was a deist. Here's a little something about Jefferson...

Here's a little information for you... Shortly after Thomas Jefferson was elected president, some Baptists from Connecticut asked that he declare a national day of fasting in order to help the country recover from a bitterly fought presidential campaign. He disagreed, feeling that the Federal government should not recognize a day set aside for religious reasons. In his reply of 1802-JAN-1, he stated:"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with solemn reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church and State."

dracco73 read my blog
Aug 27, 2008 | 11:24 PM

Deism is a belief in a higher power or diety, not the Christian god. Jefferson did not want to be held to the tenets of the Christian faith.. Perhaps you should read it a little closer. I would also urge you to read the correspondences between jefferson and Madison. I would also urge you to read about the raidfication and the gentlemen's agreement of 1789. Jefferson's reasonings for the wording "Establishment of Religion" and not "State Established Church" was to broad stroke any one particular religion getting respect. In other words, moral laws are out and ethical laws are in. You can't force morality from one dogma and have true religious freedom. It doesn't matter the religion of the forefathers what matter is the law that gave us freedom of and from religion.

chadevb read my blog
Aug 28, 2008 | 12:37 PM

Awesome video!

4sportie read my blog view my photos
Aug 29, 2008 | 12:32 PM

God's personal revelations of truth to his children aren't "feelings". We think that way because it's man's way. But God's ways aren't man's ways. You won't find real answers at a blog site. The truth is out there. Seek it, and you'll find it.

dracco73 read my blog
Aug 29, 2008 | 2:31 PM

The way to seek it is just that. Communicate and read. I've read the bible and went to church... No god there. Now, the more I see science's explanations and the unsurmountable evidence stacked against the likelihood of a creator or it even being the christian creator, as opposed to all the other candidates, my mind is made up. If you choose blind faith... That's on you. I choose logic and reason.

MeadowLand read my blog
Sep 1, 2008 | 8:23 PM

D- You make very well reasoned arguments that should be thought through and not dismissed outright. I'm not sure that I want to agree with your view, but you have given me some things to think about. Thank You.

dracco73 read my blog
Sep 2, 2008 | 2:19 AM

Meadow, That's all I am saying. Don't accept a ancient book that's been made up over thousands of years, retranslated and pass along. A religion that is based upon pagan sun worship. I say this in honesty and no spite. I challenge you to explore all your options and look at all the possibilities that are present to you, before you just accept a book on blind faith... What sense does that make. NONE! You've heard the missionaries, now hear reason.. Check out Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins. They take god out and leave you with logic. ;)

trikkydevil read my blog view my photos
Sep 3, 2008 | 1:29 AM

The penis of religion will always try to silence the voices of reason and truth. Beware the tyranny of evil men and the celestial design of mortals

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dracco73

I am an Oregonian Liberal Atheist, living in Utah. I am passionate about my freedom. I am a military veteran that defended it for nearly 14 years of my life. I believe the 1st Amendment, among other rights are violated in the country everyday through unconstitutional legislation and especially in this state. I have made it my ambition to speak out against the oppression many of us face in this country because of those violations. If I only enlighten one mind to the truth... My work is complete.

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