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by dracco73 from Clinton, UT

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As per the 1st Amendment of the Constitution, the Church has no say.  Legislators that consider the church are not doing their job.  Like judges, their are suppose to be impartial to unconstitutional agenda.  They are suppose to only consider that which is legal for them to consider and nothing else.  Laws respecting an establishment of religion, are not allowed.  PERIOD!    In the U.S. only in Utah do we even see things like this in the news.   Wake up people.  Your 1st Amendment is being violated.

 

-D-

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akiame read my blog view my photos
Sep 22, 2008 | 9:58 AM

Ah dracco73 I would rather stay asleep... At least in my dreams I actually have freedom! ~L~O~L~ It seems liberty these days, is only a fleeting dream...

Liberty is Immunity from arbitrary exercise of authority: political independence... What is "Arbitrary" I wonder? It is Based on or subject to individual discretion or preference or sometimes impulse or caprice...

kwyjibo read my blog
Sep 22, 2008 | 10:18 AM

Dracco, you need to travel a bit more. If you think Utah is bad, stay out of the South.

There is nothing wrong with legislators using their own personal beliefs in guiding them in their votes. Just as you have the right to vote your conscience (however it is determined by you) so do legislators. Legislators are NOT supposed to be impartial and nowhere in the Constitution does it say that. Perhaps you should try reading it for once. Legislators make the laws, the Judiciary are to interpret those laws through impartiality to determine the constitutionality. That's called separation of powers, douchebag!

The only ones violating the 1st Amendment or any part of the Constitution are idiots like you that pretend to be Constitutional scholars but have never even read the document!

akiame read my blog view my photos
Sep 22, 2008 | 10:29 AM

Seperation of Powers... Thats the most laughable statement I have ever heard. So what happens when you control everything... Or at least the majority thereof? If you get enough like minded individuals in enough places of power guess what... You and your inner circle of pals have all the power... Seperation of powers does make it more difficult to monopolize all the power but it is still very possible...

Just look at how many supreme court justices have been placed into power by the Bush dynasty...

It is simple... POWER and Forcing conformity!!!

kwyjibo read my blog
Sep 22, 2008 | 1:20 PM

That's the beauty of a democracy. You can vote for people or run for office yourself so that the monopoly/dynasty can end. However, do you honestly think that Bush has a monopoly on the government today? THAT is what is laughable. Congress is so impotent that they can't even wipe their own arses. The Dems in Congress hate Bush and Republicans more than anything else. The power is so segregated that it is amazing anything gets done at all!

As far as Supreme Court justices go, I think it should be up to the voters whether or not to keep them on the bench. After they're appointed by the President, every 4 years, they should be up for re-election. That way the could be held accountable for what they do from the bench.

dracco73 read my blog
Sep 22, 2008 | 1:43 PM

kwyjibo, let me school you a bit, Mr. Wizard. Laws that respect morality are unconstitutional. Legislators that use influence from the church to guide their decision are wrong. The intent of the founding fathers were very clear. Laws such as the "sanctity of marriage", adultry, fornication, etc. are all unconstitutional. Why??? Look up the word sanctity. It means godliness. Which is giving respect to an establishment of religion. I think it's ignorant people like you, that allow our rights to be infringed. So read a book, educate yourself before you open that ridiculous hole under your nose.

-D-

dracco73 read my blog
Sep 22, 2008 | 1:52 PM

Akiame, it's individuals like kywjibo that do not understand civil rights that are provided federally and supercede the laws of the State. The supreme court has been shooting down moral laws, as of late, that infringe upon our 1st Amendment. Lawerence vs. Texas proves this. Any legislator that uses reasoning that respects an establishment of religion is not being honest to the intent of our system. They are cheating... What good Christians they are. They are, in fact, oppression everyone else with their dogma through this unconstitutional legislation. Now, I am all for reasonable alcohol laws, but none that put an unnecessary burden on liberty. By that I mean that the ends should justify the means. In Utah, liberty is being trampled and uneducated idiots like kwyjibo are responsible.

dracco73 read my blog
Sep 22, 2008 | 1:52 PM

'oppressing' rather

kwyjibo read my blog
Sep 22, 2008 | 4:53 PM

brow boy, what religion, exactly is being "respected" through the so-called moral laws? Is it Buddhists, Muslims, Lutherans, the Ahmish? The founding fathers set up the country for it to be ran by those elected by the PEOPLE!!!! The founders always advocated voting for those how best fit your personal beliefs and will represent the PEOPLE that voted them in! They NEVER said nor intended that you cannot legislate or vote your conscience if your conscience is dictated by your faith and I BEG you to prove me wrong on that. And don't give me the 1st Amendment crap that you previously spewed as you obviously don't know shitt about the 1st Amendment to begin with. If these "moral" laws are unconstitutional, the how come they haven't been ruled that way by the Supreme Court, genius?

dracco73 read my blog
Sep 22, 2008 | 10:11 PM

They have been ruled unconstitutional. Read Lawrence vs. Texas. All they need is to be challenged dummy. The issue is no one has the money to out last the state usually. Lawrence won agains sodomy law. So stick that in your pipe. Furthermore son, you need to read up on the 1st Amendment. You asked, "what religion, exactly is being "respected" through the so-called moral laws? Is it Buddhists, Muslims, Lutherans, the Ahmish?" THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION!!!!! That's who! Keep your insults off my blog. I am the only one allowed to insult here. HAHA!

dracco73 read my blog
Sep 22, 2008 | 10:30 PM

http://www.pubrecord.org/law/212-aclu-sues-alabama-over
-unconstitutional-voter-laws.html

http://www.thetaskforce.org/issues/nondiscrimination/so
domy

http://www.fairlawsonpoker.org/SCPokerLaws.mht

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/mcmaken9.html

There are plenty of scholars who defend the stance that I take. So spare me your high school drop out rant. mmm kay.

dracco73 read my blog
Sep 23, 2008 | 2:54 PM

No, it shouldn't respect any religion. Laws should be based on ethics and not morals. Get it? You wrote, "You never addressed my point that it is completely LEGAL and CONSTITUTIONAL for legislators to use their belief system to dictate how they legislate."

Again no it isn't they are not suppose to try an pass laws that respect an establishment of religion. ANY RELIGION! If the intent is ethical and not moral then I agree. They can pass liquor laws based upon their belief that it will save enough lives to pay for it with some liberty. However, the're not suppose to try to legislate it because it's the church's agenda. Otherwise, we would never have freedom of religion, so long as we had to adhere to christian dogma. That was Madison, Jefferson, Franklin and many other of our forefathers intent.

I deleted your post again because you are trolling. I will not tolerate incivility on my blog. You're in my house now. Be cool or go away. ;)

dracco73 read my blog
Sep 23, 2008 | 3:56 PM

Let me also add that a legislator is an elected representative of the people and as such, he or she is required not to act on their own behalf, but on behalf of the majority.

If the majority is pushing something unconstitutional, like "sanctity of marriage" laws, it is up to law makers to exercise their ethics and strike it down. That is why the 14 Amendment gave the right to all U.S. Citizens and preventing state's like Utah from infringing on the rights of non-christians, like me. The church is not suppose to have any say... PERIOD!!! Whether directly or indirectly. We have the freedom of religion! Part of that freedom is not being forced to adhere to the tenets of someone else's cult.

dracco73 read my blog
Sep 23, 2008 | 4:06 PM

Oh and it's not just one ruling my friend.

http://www.glapn.org/sodomylaws/usa/north_dakota/ndnews
002.htm

Lawerence vs. Texas opened up a can of worms. Pretty soon, it will be nationwide. Technically the 'sanctity' of marriage itself is not suppose to be recognized by the state. The only legal part of it would be a civil union or contract. Any two adults regardless of sex should be free to enter into it. The sanctity of the marriage should be left to the church and it's followers. So we either give everyone civil unions or everyone marriage and leave the sanctity recognition to the church.

http://jonathanturley.org/2007/08/18/from-adultery-to-p
olygamy-the-dangers-of-moral-legislation/

dracco73 read my blog
Sep 23, 2008 | 4:10 PM

and finally with regard to the alcohol, I am all for regulation as long as the regulation isn't born in oppressive religious dogma. Recreational vehicles are dangerous and we could outlaw them, they are not a necessity, but since people value their liberty, they choose only to bust people that violate safety regulations. Same goes for alcohol. We should have regular beer and no clubs because it's the national standard. The motivation to stifle alcohol here is purely a religious thing... It's more encroachment by the church. THANK YOU!

dracco73 read my blog
Sep 24, 2008 | 1:57 AM

Did someone say something?

dracco73 read my blog
Sep 24, 2008 | 10:25 AM

What?

kwyjibo read my blog
Sep 24, 2008 | 12:51 PM

For someone that touts the 1st Amendment, you definitely show your complete intolerance to free speech. So not only are you homely as a mule's butt, you are also a liar and a hypocrite!

dracco73 read my blog
Sep 24, 2008 | 1:18 PM

You have no concept of the 1st Amendment my ignorant little moronic troll friend. The 1st Amendment prevents the government from imposing laws that abridge you right to free speech. It says nothing about a private party. You need to learn how to read. BAM! HAHAHA! You aren't fit to debate me Eve.

kwyjibo read my blog
Sep 24, 2008 | 3:38 PM

you EDIT!

dracco73 read my blog
Sep 24, 2008 | 4:51 PM

What? HAHAHA!

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dracco73

I am an Oregonian Liberal Atheist, living in Utah. I am passionate about my freedom. I am a military veteran that defended it for nearly 14 years of my life. I believe the 1st Amendment, among other rights are violated in the country everyday through unconstitutional legislation and especially in this state. I have made it my ambition to speak out against the oppression many of us face in this country because of those violations. If I only enlighten one mind to the truth... My work is complete.

Member Since: 2/21/2007