mysteriousmichaellee's Blog

I am not surprised. The religious community needs to stick its nose out of government

Well put Mktavish !!! Yes, The classroom size in schools in this state is ridiculous. And the crossover between religion and state here is so blatantly obvious. But I guess either accept it or move... That's what I have been told. So for the past 30 plus years I have lived here, I just shake my head, because sadly the Mormon church OWNS the state of Utah!!! I wish the country WOULD adopt China's 1 child law!!

Your peoples arguments,,, on the issues themselfs may HAVE MERIT and a worthy basis for asking for change... You all just go about it the wrong way by proclaiming this it is some unjust MORMON conspiricy to tread on your freedoms.

You guys should voice your concerns and argue on logic and fairness and leave the Mormons out of it... every time you bring Mormons into it it makes you sound like a petty little whining BITTTCHES with nothing more on the ball than to sit in your own misery likely medicated in some way as you spew ignorant errrant venom around... It is imature

If you realy feal the way you proclaim, go step up to the plate and get involved in civic service... If you are right about your oppinions then you would be a shoe in wouldnt you... NOOOO you probably have better more time consuming things sitting in your self proclaimed, self created oppresion and misery.... I am certain your time is of so much importance in your charge to bash the Mormons... How pathetic and intelectualy dishonest of you... You have much more distorted agendad than any mormon I have ever met.

no I am for people not being snively little cry babies making The Mormons the scapegoat for all the imagined problems within your minds.

The Mormons are not doing it... people who just happen to be Mormons are doing it. I think you guys are looking for someone to blame for your own inability to acccept what just is

Is that more to the point for you?

i have expressed this concern in another post, but i will state it here as well. i cannot speak for the LDS church, but a very real concern that i have as a member of the LDS church is this--if marriage is defined by the state, will the state have grounds to require that gay/lesbian marriages be solemnised in churches??

this supports my position that governments and churches need to remain outside of the other's affairs. the state has no authority to define marriage as it is a religious order, and the church has no right to influence the voting of its members as it is a secular matter. i would also point out that this behaviour is not unique to the LDS church. other churches have also been very outspoken about these types of issues.

to state that the LDS church is trying to squelch people's rights is not fair.

Lets get something straight, Im not accuseing mormons for the worlds problems.
But it would appear the mormons are saying that gay marriage is one of the worlds largest problems, and needs to be fixed right now.
So I was merely stating how gay marriage could be viewed as a parody to carbon tradeing.
And If you dont think a population explosion of people being raised with the consumption habbits of the USA is not a problem. Then you are very blind.

Technically , I am still a Mormon , they never excommunicated me. I was born and raised in it, Babtized and Ordained with the Aronic priesthood. I am the second oldest of 12 children. Most of my siblings are on the way to 6 children. So thats where I come up with my facts on population. I am hetero sexual , but only have 1 child myself.

The FACT , that the mormon religion is influencing its members in Califoria to change the laws there , that directly would take away the civil liberties of any group of people is disturbing to say the least.

Why dont they start moral crusades in business practices right now???

if you want biblical proof, read the New Testament. Paul's epistles to the Corintians and the Romans address this very strongly. we could go back and forth quoting the Bible and other texts, and it would profit us absolutely nothing.

if you will look at any religion, wou will find that there are varying degrees of conviction in that religion. these convictions range from fanaticism to apathy. this is true across the board with christianity, islam, judaism, buddhism, hindu, and so on. the pattern from all of this?? religions do not create morality. i would assert that if none of the aforementioned religions was present, there would still be varying degrees of conviction exhibited in various ways.

i am not sure as to what involvement the LDS church had in the politics surrounding proposition 8, but i know that the LDS church maintains a policy of respect--respect for others' views, opinions, etc. the LDS church also has a policy of remaining separate from secular politics. i am sure that there have been statements issued by its leaders, especially by local and area leaders in California, but how does this differ from any other christian church in California. i would also point out that this may not be an official act of the LDS church. for the sake of this discussion, i ask, so what?? what if the LDS church is officially opposed to this proposed legislation. is the LDS church the only church that is outspoken about its beliefs?? is the LDS church the only church that is opposed to gay marriage??

the practice of homosexuality, while it is a very perso

Well Outryder I certainly wasnt looking to start up a bible quoteing contest.
I have just heard the sodam and gomorah thing used by those who are against homosexuality of any kind, Married or not. I was merely saying how else it might could be interpeted. A crowd of religious zealots taking it to far in the name of god.
I dont really put much stock in the bible anyways. As it gets skewed to what ever point someone wants to make at the time.
As for it getting used to show how this world will end and because of what. I would say take your eyes off the bible for a minute and really look at the world around you.