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OOH! This is going to be a hot one... I dont have much to say yet... I am sure I will after a few others have their own say.

yes in a you are right we souldn't judge but on the other hand get your house in order i can name several societies that were distroyed becouse homosexuality was one of the many sinful actions that was being practiced, and the many text i want to post is this from anouther website that states why we have to stop this gay marrage bill from happning.
Having tolerance without condoning.
We can love someone while still maintaining and advocating our standards and beliefs. Unless Proposition 8 passes, California society will soon undergo a profound change in its basic understanding of marriage and family life.
That will affect everyone in numerous ways. Over time, greater acceptance of nontraditional marriage will be demanded of all people. This could impact the ability of any religion to teach and practice its beliefs. Proposition 8 will not hurt gays.
In California, the law provides for marriage-related benefits to be given to civil unions and domestic partnerships. Proposition 8 does not diminish these benefits. Failure to pass Proposition 8 will hurt children.
If gay marriage remains legal, public schools will put it on equal footing with traditional marriage. Children will likely receive “age appropriate” information about sexual relations within heterosexual and homosexual marriages. Failure to pass Proposition 8 will hurt churches.
The court’s decision will

Remember Sodom and Gomorrah? Perhaps there are those who dispute whether it actually happened. These cities were DESTROYED because of their immoral way of living. I don't understand how anyone who says they believe what the Bible teaches can still think that marriage between gay couples should be legal. This country was founded on a common morality, which is hanging by a thread. What will be next? Legal marriage to children (to protect people like the FLDS church)? How about marriage to your dog? I think our Founding Fathers are rolling in their graves! Some things are just WRONG! There is no gray area here. Right is right, and WRONG is WRONG! We need to stand up for what is right. This law should not have been passed in the first place. 'Love the sinner, but hate the sin,' comes to mind. I can like a person without thinking they are evil. Being gay doesn't make a person bad. I believe they are good people. It is just possible to be mislead. Too possible.

it is ironic that you don't want to belive in the bible when you say you are christian ;) lol!!! all i have to say is soddom and gohmora

No extremedude I do belive in the bible all I am saying is how do we know for sure that everything in it is true? so LOL.We have little proof of anything from that long ago, yes we have some.All I am saying is what if we are all wrong in what we think. Did God not intend for us to live in harmony? How we can do this when we are outcasting others who are different? My point as a christian is that no matter how different someone is they are equal to me and deserve no more or no less than I do. It is up to one and only one to decide the fate of others and that is God.Let the homosexual community of their marriges because if it is a crime again god then what do you care they will be punished. By the way you stated the children would suffer from proposition 8 please explain.

this is a hot debate because of the following two questions--
1. how can the government seek to establish marriage, which is an inherently religious order?? does this jeoparodise the separation of church and state and the first amendment??
2. if this amendment is passed, will the government have grounds to require that gay/lesbian marriage be solemnised in each church?? what if said church is opposed to this??

when any government seeks to regulate morality, it treads on dangerous ground. the lines between church and state become blurry, and laws are passed that are unjust and very difficult to enforce. morality is by its nature subjective as it is emperical. how can a law which feigns objectivity be so when its matter is of a subjective nature?? in other words, since moral behaviour is a result of one's decisions and observations and varies from person to person, how can a law be equally applied when it deals with this kind of subjectivity??

as for my stance on the issue, i believe that from a biblical standpoint (since marriage is by definition a religious order) MUST consist of a man and a woman. this should not, however, encroach on legal arrangements that bind two people together. this is of a civil nature, and therefore must offer equal rights and legal benefits for homosexuals and heterosexuals alike. the state cannot marry as it has no authority to do so. the state cannot define marriage as it has no authority to do so. the definition of marriage must be left up to the churches and not incorporated into state proceedings.

I think both Outryder and utahmen made goods points there. And I think you both have pretty similar veiws , compared to extreme's

But why not take it a step further.
Instead of worrying about what killed Sodam and Gamora. Why not look at what could kill this civilization were in.
On top of many things ,excludeing same sex habbits. There is this one called population growth that Id like to elaborate on.

First a Parody : Have you all heard of the carbon offset tradeing?
In short , company A (that pollutes alot) Pays company B (that pollutes very little) For their offset below the national standard imposed of late.
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Now I know thats not a very nice way to view children. so im sure ill get some flamage there.
Anyways ... If those that want to procreate en`mass ... would realize!!! They need to sanctify the union of those that choose not to populate this planet.

So in short , If you do the math on even ... 6x6x6=216 ... And I wanted to add this other thing.
Bill Nye says.
"At the rate of consumption the USA uses. The world can sustain 2 billion people.

I read sometimes ... usually when Im donating.
But latley I just have to build shiot , so I dont have time. Helped build BodyWorlds for one.
And thanx for the history lesson ... really , I live on the history channel when I can watch it.

I think you totally bypassed the math lesson I was trying to give. ???

Ya I didnt think you were flaming me.
I guess maybe my real point wasnt made obvious.

There are more than 2 billion people on this planet. And with current USA population (1/2 billion ???) Consumeing the recources of the planet that can sustain this quality of life for 2 billion people. Then where does that leave the rest of the people , And what maybe are they going to do about it?

So the Offsets of samesex to heterosex marriage , was more just a partial solution to the problem that I didnt make clear I guess.

There is nothing wrong with dictateing morality and ethics. When it is fair and just.
But dont you think there are far more issues that should be dealt with.
Top of the list should be greed right now.